Dáil debates
Thursday, 18 November 2010
Order of Business
10:30 am
Mary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It is proposed to take No. a17, statements on banking and; No. 17, ráitis faoin tuarascáil maidir le straitéis 20 bliain don Ghaeilge. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that: (1) the proceedings on No. a17 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 95 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the statements shall be confined to a Minister or Minister of State and to the main spokespersons for Fine Gael, the Labour Party and Sinn Féin, who shall be called upon in that order, who may share their time, and which shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; (ii) a Minister or Minister of State shall take questions for a period not exceeding 30 minutes; (iii) a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; (2) the proceedings on No. 17 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 3.30 p.m. today and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the speech of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fine Gael, the Labour Party and Sinn Féin, who shall be called upon in that order, shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; (ii) the speech of each other Member called upon shall not exceed ten minutes in each case; (iii) Members may share time; (iv) a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed ten minutes.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are two proposals to be put to the House today. Is the proposal for dealing with No. a17, statements on banking agreed to?
Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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It is not agreed.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It is not agreed to. I would like to say something about this. First, every other business should be suspended for the day-----
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----until we deal with this matter. It is rich for the great republican party to come to the House on 18 November 2010 and tell us we will have statements about straitéis don Ghaeilge. Wrap the green flag around me and preserve the national language on a day when we now have confirmation of the handing over of our economic independence to personnel from abroad.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not propose to allow a discussion on this matter on the Order of Business.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Just a moment. There is a proposal on the Order of Business today that we have contributions and a question and answer session immediately afterwards.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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There is a crisis in the country.
Brendan Howlin
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It is a limited debate.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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We should not get into the business of anticipating what might be said later on. It is singularly inappropriate to abuse the Order of Business in such a manner.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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After almost 95 years the Government gives us 95 minutes to deal with the banking situation. This day represents the conclusion of the type of politics practised by the Tánaiste's party - cronyism, sleeveen politics, dig outs, nods and winks-----
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----how's your father, buy them off, of gross incompetence in the State-----
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----and make the people pay at the end of the day.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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All those points can be made when the discussion commences immediately after the Order of Business, not on the Order of Business.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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This is the Order of Business.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do not accept the proposal from the Tánaiste. I am pleased to see the Minister for Transport, Deputy Dempsey, is sitting beside her. He did not recognise what was going on in the past week. He suggested they were discussions of fiction. I suppose the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport, Deputy Hanafin, who is absent, will record the personnel from the ECB and the Commission-----
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Kenny is anticipating the debate that is set out in the Order of Business.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----as tourists if they are in this country for two nights.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Kenny should co-operate with the Chair.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I want you to know, a Cheann Comhairle-----
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I could understand Deputy Kenny wishing to make those points if we did not have provision for statements and questions and answers, but we have provisions for both.
Tom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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You should co-operate with Deputy Kenny.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I want you to understand, a Cheann Comhairle. I heard the British Chancellor yesterday talk about giving loans to the State. I understand there is no Machiavellian intent-----
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Kenny might have been looking for it last week.
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Are you not ashamed? Keep your mouth shut.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----but the consequence of it would be that the British Government would give the State money so that AIB could pay off British banks and the Irish taxpayer would pay for that.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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We will not have this debate on the Order of Business. There is provision to make all those points subsequent to the Order of Business during statements and questions and answers.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The Ceann Comhairle is making a disgrace of himself. He is undermining the credibility of this House.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not undermining the credibility of this House. Deputy Shatter will withdraw the remark or leave the House.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The Leader of the Opposition is entitled to make known his views on why we are not agreeing the Order of Business.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Shatter will leave the House.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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I will not leave the House. You are making a disgrace of this House.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Shatter will withdraw the remark.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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We want more time to discuss an issue of major national importance.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Shatter will withdraw the remark. He is impugning the integrity of the Chair of this House. That is out of order. Deputy Shatter will leave the House.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The veil of Fianna Fáil is clouding your perception of how to deal with this matter. You are disgracing the Chair.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Shatter will leave the House.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will adjourn the Dáil for ten minutes.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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That is a lovely response to the economic situation.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Could I request Deputy Shatter-----
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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One moment until I deal with this matter. I request that Deputy Shatter withdraw the remark or leave the House.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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My entitlement to be in this House is set in the Constitution and is based on the election of my constituents. At a time of national emergency-----
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not going to get into that debate at this point, Deputy.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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My only point, Sir, is that the Leader of the Opposition is entitled to explain to the House the reason for opposing the Order of Business. That is my only point.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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When the Dáil is in session, the Chair has responsibility for proper order in the House, and I insist that there will be proper order in the House.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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You are contributing to disorder. Could I ask you to leave the House or withdraw the remark?
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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Could I make the point to you, Sir?
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, withdraw the remark or leave the House.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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On the assumption, Sir, that you allow the Leader of the Opposition to explain why we are opposing the Order of Business, I will withdraw the remark.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are dealing with this matter. This is a matter between the Chair and your good self.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the Deputy leaving the House?
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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No, I have said, Sir, that I will withdraw the remark on the basis of my understanding that the Leader of the Opposition will be allowed to explain why we are opposing the Order of Business.
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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That is what is wrong. There is too much control.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not good enough. I name Deputy Alan Shatter.
Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The Ceann Comhairle is chairing the national Parliament, not a meeting of the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party.