Dáil debates

Wednesday, 20 October 2010

Teaching Qualifications

Health Service Executive Charges

9:00 pm

Photo of Jack WallJack Wall (Kildare South, Labour)
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This is a simple matter. The HSE has determined that an applicant for a medical card in certain situations must make a sworn statement in front of a commissioner for oaths instead of accepting a statement made in front of a peace commissioner. I cannot believe that in current circumstances a person seeking a medical card must pay €50 to a solicitor so he will sign a sworn affidavit. The peace commissioner's signature is accepted by the courts but the HSE refused point blank to accept an application I had signed in front of a peace commissioner for a man who has lost his job and whose wife is seriously ill. He was asked for a number of documents, such as a mortgage statement to confirm monthly repayments, income tax assessment forms for the past three years, the vehicle registration certificates for two vehicles, up to date payslips and GP reports and when he supplied those he was told he would need a statement sworn in front of a commissioner for oaths. We duly supplied such a statement sworn in front of a peace commissioner but it was not acceptable.

Our colleague, Councillor Mick Dollard, attended the health information committee that has been constituted by the HSE to seek to transfer information. He raised the issue at the meeting and no one knew a statement had to be sworn in front of a commissioner of oaths. The person there from the HSE said he would investigate but that as far as he knew, it was not the case. In a reply I got from the HSE, however, it was clear the commissioner for oaths would have to sign off on the affidavit.

In the present circumstances, someone looking for a medical card would not have the €50 the commissioner for oaths would charge for such a service. It is ridiculous that a peace commissioner, who has the confidence of the Garda, the courts and the Minister for Justice and Law Reform, is not acceptable to the HSE. I asked the Minister for Health and Children about this but, as usual, she referred it to the HSE for decision. I asked her to give a directive to the HSE on the issue but she chose to ignore that request and leave it for the HSE to answer.

I hope the HSE will have the confidence in the peace commissioner system that has been recognised since the foundation of the State and will accept the validity of the statement that has been made, so no one will be asked to pay a fee to obtain a medical card. It is unheard of in any other application for social welfare claims or anything else. I have been told by colleagues of sworn statements being required to be made before commissioners of oaths in similar cases. It is crazy. Deputy Connaughton is nodding his head, so the same must be happening in the west.

This is unique to the HSE, it wants to be different from every other State organisation and wants statements sworn in front of commissioners for oaths and will not accept what is accepted in every other facet of life, a statement made before a peace commissioner.

Photo of Seán HaugheySeán Haughey (Dublin North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am replying to this Adjournment matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Mary Harney. In assessing eligibility, the HSE uses guidelines based on people's means, which includes their income, certain allowable outgoings and the effect of other factors which may impact on people's ability to meet the cost of general practitioner, GP, services for themselves and their families. Notwithstanding the above, the HSE may issue a medical card on a discretionary basis if the applicant would otherwise be caused undue hardship in providing general medical and surgical services for himself or herself and any dependants. The executive takes all medical issues into account in determining whether undue hardship exists.

If a person is refused a medical card and is not satisfied with the decision, he or she may appeal the decision to the appeals office of the local HSE area. The office will conduct a reassessment of the application. This reassessment is conducted by HSE staff who were not involved in deciding on the original application. If the applicant is still not satisfied following the appeal, he or she may contact the Ombudsman's office.

The HSE has produced national medical card-GP visit card assessment guidelines for its staff. These are regularly updated to provide a clear framework for decision makers to assist them in making reasonable, consistent and equitable decisions when assessing people under the General Medical Services, GMS, scheme. As part of the HSE's ongoing programme to provide a more responsive and cost-effective service, the HSE is centralising the processing aspect of medical card applications to its facility at the Primary Care Reimbursement Service, PCRS, in Dublin. Under the centralisation plan, the HSE's local offices will continue to provide the public with assistance and information locally in respect of medical card eligibility and making an application. They will also provide information on the current status of their applications or reviews.

In June 2010, the HSE introduced a new website - www.medicalcard.ie - which enables people anywhere in the country to apply for a medical card through a simple and efficient application process. As the centralisation process continues, more initiatives will be introduced. The current initiatives will continue to be enhanced as the HSE receives feedback and continues to engage with advocacy groups, staff, public representatives and primary care contractors.

The HSE has advised the Department that there is no general policy in place that requires all applicants in the Kildare-west Wicklow area to provide sworn statements in support of medical card applications or appeals. In cases where an applicant cannot produce evidence of income, a sworn affidavit can be useful to progress the application more speedily because it can be difficult, in certain occupations, to establish the applicant's income. I understand the HSE has been advised by its legal advisers that it is difficult to apply legal recourse where a statement countersigned by a Peace Commissioner is subsequently found to be untrue. Therefore, an affidavit sworn before a Commissioner for Oaths is a more compelling document when produced in support of an application.