Dáil debates

Wednesday, 21 October 2009

Ceisteanna - Questions

Northern Ireland Issues.

10:30 am

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Question 1: To ask the Taoiseach the contacts he has had with the political parties in Northern Ireland since 10 July 2009; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30235/09]

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Question 2: To ask the Taoiseach the contacts he has had with the British Government on Northern Ireland since 10 July 2009; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30236/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 3: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on recent developments in Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30602/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 4: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on his recent contacts with the political parties in Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30603/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 5: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on his recent contacts with the British Government; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30604/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 6: To ask the Taoiseach when he next expects to meet the British Prime Minister; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30605/09]

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Question 7: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on his most recent contacts with the British Prime Minister regarding the ongoing implementation of the Good Friday Agreement and the St. Andrew's Agreement; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [31176/09]

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Dublin South West, Fine Gael)
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Question 8: To ask the Taoiseach if he will make a statement on the upcoming meeting of the British-Irish Council. [35414/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 9: To ask the Taoiseach the costs which have accrued to his Department in respect of the MacEntee inquiry; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [35237/09]

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Question 10: To ask the Taoiseach if he will make a statement on the outcome of his meeting on 11 October 2009 with the US Secretary of State, Ms Hillary Clinton. [36633/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 11: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on his meeting on 11 October 2009 with the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [36656/09]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 12: To ask the Taoiseach his priorities for the forthcoming meeting of the British-Irish Council; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [36765/09]

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I propose to take Questions Nos. 1 to 12, inclusive, together.

Together with the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, I met with Gerry Adams, Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness and representatives from Sinn Féin on 8 July last. I then met with Mark Durkan, Minister Margaret Ritchie and their SDLP colleagues on 9 July. At these meetings we discussed recent developments and in particular progress on the devolution of policing and justice and the marching season as well as the positive outcome of the NSMC plenary meeting which took place on 6 July. Following that meeting I had discussions with First Minister, Peter Robinson, over lunch. I have already replied to questions in this House on the NSMC plenary.

I had a number of telephone conversations with Prime Minister Brown in recent days and weeks in the context of the ongoing situation on the devolution of policing and justice. The Minister, Deputy Martin, also met with the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward, on 7 October to discuss the issue and they met again this week.

Our officials are keeping in regular contact with the Northern Ireland parties, the Northern Ireland Office and No. 10 Downing Street. There was a further meeting between First Minister Robinson, Deputy First Minister McGuinness and Prime Minister Brown last night in Downing Street.

I am heartened by the successful outcome to those discussions. I understand that a financial package to support devolution of policing and justice was agreed and will be published later today. The First and Deputy First Ministers have indicated that they will consult with their colleagues and other parties on the package, as well as having further talks between themselves to resolve any remaining issues.

At my meeting with US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, in Farmleigh on 11 October our discussions focused on current developments in Northern Ireland and the importance of supporting the Northern Ireland parties in moving forward on the devolution of policing and justice. We both welcomed the progress made in discussions between Prime Minister Brown and the First and Deputy First Ministers in recent weeks. There was also a shared emphasis on the need to promote economic development in Northern Ireland, as well as building up the all-island economy as a key element of economic recovery. I thanked Secretary of State Clinton for her steadfast personal attention to the issue of Northern Ireland and her continued friendship for Ireland.

I met with Sir Hugh Orde in Government Buildings on 27 July. He formally completed his term as Chief Constable of the PSNI on 31 August. I thanked Sir Hugh for the contribution he made to policing in Northern Ireland and wished him well in his new role as president of the Association of Chief Police Officers. I take this opportunity to wish his successor, Matt Baggott, well in his new role.

On 15 October I addressed the North-South Consultative Conference in Farmleigh. The conference was attended by the social partners, North and South, along with other members of civil society. There was a wide-ranging discussion on the contribution that civil society can make to supporting the process.

The next meeting of the British-Irish Council will take place on 13 November in Jersey. At the meeting we will focus discussion on the current global economic crisis as well as the theme of minority languages. The next plenary meeting of the NSMC will take place on 14 December in Northern Ireland and I expect we will have further discussions on the economy at that meeting. In total, we have had four plenary meetings of the NSMC since May 2007 and another 43 ministerial meetings over the same period.

I pay tribute to the important role that Senator Ted Kennedy played over many years in the peace process and more generally to the welfare of this island. His passing is a great loss for Ireland and the United States.

The total amount spent on the MacEntee commission of investigation, which completed its work in March 2007, was €2,632,702. All costs relating to the commission of investigation have been discharged.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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This is the first opportunity in which we have had questions on Northern Ireland since the death of Senator Ted Kennedy. I join with the Taoiseach in paying tribute to the enormous contribution he made over many decades to bringing about peace in Northern Ireland. I also pay tribute to Mark Durkan who since we last had questions in the House on Northern Ireland has announced his intention to resign as leader of the SDLP. I pay tribute to the work he has done both in that capacity and in his earlier work with the SDLP.

Specifically on the devolution of policing and justice matters, can the Taoiseach give the House any more information than he outlined in his opening reply? He mentioned he has been having discussions with Prime Minister Brown. I understand that Prime Minister Brown is to announce a financial package in the near future. There has been some speculation that he would do so today. Does the Taoiseach have any information in regard to that and was he involved in any way in discussions on the preparation of that package?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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As I said in my reply there have been a number of meetings involving both Governments and the Northern Ireland parties in recent weeks. The main focus of those talks has been the financial package to support the Northern Ireland Executive once devolution of policing and justices has taken place. The Prime Minister has taken a close personal interest in those discussions and I am grateful to him for those efforts, which I believe have resulted in agreement on an excellent financial package which will be published later today. I spoke to him by telephone this morning.

For their part, the First and Deputy First Ministers and the Northern Ireland parties are in ongoing discussions about issues on which they need to finalise arrangements, including the appointment of a justice Minister and how the new Department and Minister will fit into the existing Executive system in the North. Legislation to facilitate that has been passed at Westminster and the necessary Northern Ireland legislation is currently working its way through the Assembly and its committee system.

In parallel to all of that the First Minister has indicated that he wants to maximise what he has described as community confidence. The publication later today of the financial package is a major step forward in that regard. There are a few more steps to be taken before devolution finally takes place but I remain optimistic that it will proceed in the near future.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I welcome the Taoiseach's optimism that the devolution of policing and justice functions will take place in the near future. Concern has been expressed by the chief commissioner of the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission about the delay in publishing a promised consultation document on a bill of rights for Northern Ireland. That was promised in both the Good Friday Agreement and in the St. Andrew's Agreement. Has the Taoiseach raised that issue with the British Government?

In that context I also wish to ask him about the fears that have been expressed recently by the president of the Irish Human Rights Commission, Maurice Manning, who claims that commission will not be able to continue to exist if its funding is cut further in the budget. Since the establishment of that body also arose from the Good Friday Agreement, can the Taoiseach offer any hope to it that funding cuts will not threaten its continued existence?

11:00 am

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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Regarding the bill of rights for Northern Ireland, I reiterate the commitment of the Government to ensure the full and effective implementation of all aspects of the Good Friday Agreement and the St. Andrew's Agreement. In that context we attach importance to a specific bill of rights for Northern Ireland as envisaged in the Good Friday Agreement. The Government has consistently communicated that position in contacts with the current British Administration and with the Conservative Party Front Bench.

The work of the forum on a bill of rights and the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission has made a significant and important contribution to the bill of rights process. I look forward to the consultation document currently being prepared by the Northern Ireland Office bringing us closer to the enactment of a bill of rights for Northern Ireland. I would like to see that brought into the public domain as soon as possible.

Regarding other issues in our own jurisdiction, no body - however important or august - can regard itself as immune from an exercise in expenditure savings that is necessary for the future development of the country.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I welcome the comment by the INLA some weeks ago that it has confirmed an end to its campaign of violence in Northern Ireland and that shortly it expects to begin decommissioning whatever arms it has. That is to be welcomed. There is an increasing threat, however, from dissident forces both North and South of the Border. I understand that a crime seminar organised on Monday stated that dissident Republicans posed a "severe and increasing threat". I want the Taoiseach to know that in so far as the Government takes action on this matter it will have the full support of this side of the House in supporting the forces of law and order to deal with any of those dissident threats.

My colleague, Deputy Flanagan, our spokesman on justice, recently highlighted efforts that have been made by dissidents to recruit young people in the Republic. First, does the Taoiseach have a view on the extent of the threat posed by dissident Republicans in view of the seminar on Monday at which it was stated that they posed a severe and increasing threat? Second, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, who is sitting beside the Taoiseach, recently met his counterpart in Northern Ireland, Paul Goggins. Has the Minister reported to the Taoiseach on those discussions? Did they put in place a strategy to deal with an increasing threat from dissidents? Did any discussion take place about the huge increase in cross-Border criminality, mostly in the area of smuggling petrol, diesel and cigarettes?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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To respond to the last point made by the Deputy regarding the activities of our Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, who has joined me here this morning, the seminar last Monday, at which he met Mr. Goggins, was precisely about the issue of cross-Border criminality - smuggling, working with Customs, the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Assets Recovery Agency etc., North and South. The close co-operation between the Garda, the PSNI and other agencies of the State is an ongoing priority for the Garda Commissioner and for the Minister.

On the question of the recent INLA statement, last Sunday's announcement that the INLA campaign is over and its commitment to peaceful means is potentially important. I would encourage it to engage with the decommissioning body.

Regarding recent dissident activity, I condemn in the strongest possible terms the recent activities by dissidents, including the targeting of families of police officers and attempted bomb attacks. Those who are carrying out these acts represent nobody. Their actions are entirely destructive. Co-operation between police services North and South has never been better and they are working closely together to ensure these people are brought to justice. It is clear from recent IMC reports that dissident groups styling themselves Óglaigh na hÉireann, the Real IRA, and the Continuity IRA are criminal groups. They have failed to move on. They have no mandate from the people and their continued involvement in various types of criminal activity should leave no one in any doubt about what they are trying to do.

Police services North and South are co-operating closely in tackling cross-Border crime. The conference held on Monday last, the seventh such conference, builds on the successes of previous years and further strengthens cross-Border co-operation. The event brought together senior officers from the Garda Síochána, the PSNI, the Serious Organised Crime Agency, the Criminal Assets Bureau, the Revenue Commissioners, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, Government Departments and immigration officers from both jurisdictions. We must tackle cross-Border crime effectively and take a united approach at both political and operational levels, sending a clear message to organised criminal gangs that there is no hiding place on either side of the Border for their illegal activity. The devolution of policing and justice will help this process further by enabling us to provide a fully integrated system of devolved government for Northern Ireland.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Last December the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission handed over its advice to the British Government on the preparation of a consultation document for a Bill of rights for Northern Ireland. The Taoiseach is aware that this is a significant part of the Good Friday Agreement. The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission is now concerned that the consultation document will not be published in advance of a British general election because the timeline is short. Again, according to the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission, the Conservative Party has made it clear that it proposes to replace the Human Rights Act 2000 with a United Kingdom Bill of rights and responsibilities, which would include Northern Ireland.

As the Taoiseach is aware, a Bill of rights for Northern Ireland is an integral part of the Good Friday Agreement. Has he had any discussions with his counterpart, Prime Minister Brown, or has his officials discussed this issue at official level? If an election takes place in Britain and there is a change of government and if the Conservative Party wishes to introduce a new Bill to replace the Human Rights Act 2000, this would mean what is in the Good Friday Agreement would be changed. Does the Taoiseach have a concern about this? Does he have any information about whether the consultation paper will be published before a British general election? Does he consider that would be important given that he had a part in the negotiations which led to the Good Friday Agreement being concluded, of which this is an integral part?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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As I said in reply to an earlier question, we reiterate our commitment to ensuring the full and effective implementation of all aspects of the Good Friday and St. Andrews Agreements. We attach importance to the provisions of a specific Bill of rights for Northern Ireland as envisaged in the Agreement. We have consistently communicated that point and position in contacts with the current British Administration and with the Conservative Party Front Bench. There is a consultation document in preparation in respect of that aspect of the Agreement. We would like to see it published and consultation proceed, and the merits of that initiative being debated in its own context, as the Deputy said, consistent with the Agreements we have signed.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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As it seems agreement has been finally reached on the devolution from London to Belfast of policing and justice powers, will the Taoiseach indicate what role the Government will play in ensuring this vital step in transforming policing in the Six Counties and on the island as a whole is carried through? Was the Government involved in the recent negotiations? How will it fulfil its role in ensuring the full implementation of this aspect of the Good Friday and St. Andrews Agreements?

The Taoiseach might recall that the Dáil unanimously passed the motion, which was sent to the British Parliament and called on it to release all relevant documentation regarding the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings of May 1974. We asked for this information to be assessed by an independent international authority. Given the refusal of the British Government to comply with this request of the Oireachtas, what course of action does the Taoiseach now propose to take? Does he agree this is a very serious issue and that the lack of action on the part of the British Government must be confronted? Does the Taoiseach agree also that this issue clearly shows that any process of truth recovery relating to the conflict must be anchored, not by a body nominated by the British Government, but by an independent international truth commission? In terms of such an independent international truth commission, which both Governments would authorise, will the Taoiseach support a proposal that they would authorise the UN or a similar body to establish such a truth commission?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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The financial aspects of the provision of devolution of policing and justice to Northern Ireland - the financial package to support the Northern Ireland Executive once that devolution has taken place - is to be published today. I am pleased this correspondence will be published today and that people will see that a commitment has been made to ensure it happens. A few more steps will have to be taken before devolution finally takes place but I am optimistic that it will proceed in the near future. The publication of the financial package is a major step forward in this regard.

On resolutions of this House, it is a matter for this House to deal with those matters. Having forwarded a formal resolution to the Parliament, it is a matter for the Dáil to decide what further steps, if any, it can take in the context of the clear view taken by the House in those matters at the time.

Regarding the question of dealing with the past, it is important that the work done by Mr. Bradley and Lord Eames and others provides the framework in which all of society can look to see how issues of the past can be dealt with in a way that would promote healing and reconciliation in the community.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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It is a cop-out for the Taoiseach to state that it is up to the Dáil to discuss these matters. As the leader of the Dáil, I presume he would have had - perhaps he can enlighten us - conversations with the British Government representatives. If the Irish Parliament passed a resolution and sent it to the British Parliament asking for action to be taken, I presume, as would all in this House who passed that resolution, that the Taoiseach would pursue it at intergovernmental level.

Has the Taoiseach or any of the representatives sought from the British Government information on the recent claim by a retired RUC Special Branch officer, George Clarke, that British agents were involved in initiating plans to blow up the Sinn Féin offices in Dublin in 1971? Should this not be pursued in the light of the failure of that Government to provide information on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, but also in the light of the fatal bombings by British agents in Dublin in 1972 and 1974? How many other plans were initiated and carried out in this jurisdiction?

Tá ceist eile agam i dtaobh Acht na Gaeilge. Tá sé thar am go mbeadh seo curtha i bhfeidhm sna Sé Contae. Ar phléigh an Taoiseach an cheist seo le Príomh-Aire na Breataine, Gordon Brown. An gcuirfidh seisean brú go gcuirfear an reachtaíocht seo i bhfeidhm gan mhoill nó cad é stádas Acht na Gaeilge sna Sé Contae faoi láthair?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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Tá Acht na Gaeilge faoi chúram an Executive sa Tuaisceart, ó 2007 nuair a bunaíodh an Executive. Mar sin, is ceist í sin atá á phlé ag Aire an Roinn Gnóthaí Pobail, Tuaithe agus Gaeltachta, an Teachta Éamon Ó Cuív, lena comhleacaí sa Tuaisceart i dtaobh cén dul ar aghaidh atá le déanamh againn ar an ábhar sin.

Regarding the specific questions about claims being made by this, that or the other person about any activity, these are matters that can be put to the line Minister and to the Garda for investigation in the event of any allegation of criminal activity. From my point of view, as Leader of the Government, my job is to see in what way I can assist the healing process of truth and reconciliation in Northern Ireland in respect of all matters that have taken place during the course of the conflict, and to try to assist in that in a way that will promote public confidence on all sides of the community. That is the role that I would see myself taking in respect of that.

This Government and the previous Administration have, as I stated in my reply, devoted considerable resources to obtaining to the greatest extent we could but, unfortunately, not to the full, as much information as we could on those who died in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, one of whom came from my own home town.