Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Question 49: To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food the reason the Féile Bia campaign has been replaced by a new campaign called Just Ask; the advantages this change will bring; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20190/09]

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Decisions on marketing campaigns are primarily a matter for Bord Bia. In this case I understand that Bord Bia considered that a fresh approach was needed to raise customer awareness and transparency on the origin of food and supplier information when eating out. Féile Bia membership, which peaked at 1,500 food service outlets, had decreased in recent years to very low levels of participants. In addition, questions had been raised about its effectiveness.

The Just Ask campaign aims to encourage and empower consumers, when eating out, to ask for information on where the food on their plate, particularly meat, comes from and to encourage restaurants to provide this information on their menus. The marketing activities for the Just Ask campaign, which was launched in March, include targeted national and local radio and press advertising, on-line and print media activities and promotions targeting chefs directly. Research to date carried out by Bord Bia shows that over a third of the target group interviewed are aware of the Just Ask campaign and say it would encourage them to ask where their meats are coming from when eating out. That would indicate that Bord Bia's public awareness campaign is having a good impact at an early stage.

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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What is the overall cost of this scheme? If I understand correctly, and I seek clarification on this, the Féile Bia logo or emblem was replaced with the Just Ask campaign. If I was being a little cynical I would say that it probably cost approximately €200,000 to come up with the wonderfully succinct and insightful words "Just Ask". Has there been buy-in to the scheme from the Restaurants Association of Ireland?

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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As I stated at the start, the decisions on this relate to Bord Bia so I will have to ask it to get an answer to the Deputy's question.

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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With all due respect, on a point of order-----

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I do not have the information.

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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The Minister of State with responsibility for food is here to answer questions once a month and I tabled this question last Wednesday so with all due respect-----

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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If I could finishing answering the question before the-----

Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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The Deputy rose on a point of order and the Minister of State can now reply.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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It was not actually a point of order but I am not here to decide that.

Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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It is for the Chair to determine but I thank the Minister of State for his assistance.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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It was nice to hear all the same.

Michael Creed (Cork North West, Fine Gael)
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It was correct.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I am trying to be helpful.

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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The Minister of State might respect the fact that I tabled the question in the first instance and I did so in good faith.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Deputy Sherlock did not, actually. If he had asked that question we could have got him the answer but-----

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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I am entitled to ask a supplementary question.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Indeed, and I wish I had some knowledge but all I can say is that the Just Ask scheme is far better value for money than the cost of running the Féile Bia scheme. This is not the only reason for the change and I hope Deputy Sherlock agrees with that. We were getting less and less buy-in to the Féile Bia scheme and we needed a reality check; we could not blindly continue with the Féile Bia scheme when of the 81 applications received in 2008 only seven restaurants met the criteria. It needed to be examined and reviewed and the outcome of that review has been a better value for money scheme.

I will not say that was the primary reason for it; it is really about empowering the consumer. There was a level of confusion among consumers. On the one hand there was Féile Bia, which was in Irish, but, on the other, it was not as widely applied throughout the country as it should have been and it was becoming increasingly irrelevant. The Just Ask scheme is a fresh approach and, as I indicated, it is receiving good support from the public.

Seymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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What meats does this include? Does it include poultry and pork as well as beef? Will the Minister of State assure us that it promotes Irish produce? Question No. 111 tabled today also raises the point-----

Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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We have not yet reached that question.

Seymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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-----about the €2.5 million-----

Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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One should not anticipate.

Seymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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It is linked because there is a €2.5 million allocation-----

Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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I am afraid it is not being taken with it.

Seymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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-----to Bord Bia. Is this what the money is being used for? Will the Minister of State comment further on this?

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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While the Just Ask campaign is primarily about meat, it is about all produce. The important question of labelling is dealt with by the Food Safety Authority primarily. Bord Bia has no remit to promote non-Irish food; at the same time it is not the authority that deals with control of labelling and this must be clarified. The Just Ask campaign is about Irish produce but it requires people to ask, as the name suggests.

Andrew Doyle (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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I know they are not related to the restaurant industry but we see pages of ads due to the war between supermarkets. We see Bord Bia quality assurance signs on chicken, beef and fish. Those items that do not have it are conspicuous. I pride myself on becoming informed in restaurants and outlets. The Féile Bia scheme was not completely useless. I do not know why "Just Ask" could not have been added to the existing scheme. There was familiarity and an information campaign was required: why was this not done? We were half way there. If it was not working effectively it should have been improved rather than completely rejigged.

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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We have had discussions such as this previously and undoubtedly we will have them again. Much of the non-Irish produce coming into Ireland was going to catering. It is important to make a fresh start, which this is. The emphasis is on the new campaign, Just Ask, by which the public is mandated to establish where food comes from and who produces it. Restaurants are being urged to provide that information so people will not have to ask as many questions. It is important to point out that Bord Bia does not promote non-Irish produce, and the suggestion that the organisation might apply its funding to promoting products from outside Ireland carrying an Irish label is false. It is equally important to note that Bord Bia does not, nor is it required to, promote products from any other origin. Suggestions of that nature are misleading to consumers, as they have been in the media, and are extremely damaging to an industry that has come under enormous pressure in a difficult marketing environment. Bord Bia is about promoting Irish produce.

Seán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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Would it not have been more financially expedient to use the guaranteed Irish label, which is universally identifiable and would have cost significantly less?

Trevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I was delighted to hear the president of the IFA, Mr. Padraig Walshe, on the radio this morning asking people to buy Irish produce. The reason Mr. Padraig Walshe can do that but neither I nor the Minister, Deputy Brendan Smith, can is that the use of State money for the guaranteed Irish campaign is not allowed under EU rules. I have met with representatives of the Restaurants Association of Ireland and others to make that point. It is a case of horses for courses. The Government and Bord Bia, the agency with the remit in this area, have a responsibility to provide the type of quality assurance required but in the case of a guaranteed Irish scheme, such as was mentioned by the Deputy, we can go so far but no further. We can promote EU produce but a guaranteed Irish campaign would require non-taxpayers' money. Thankfully, there is a willingness on the part of stakeholders such as the IFA and the Restaurants Association to put private money behind such campaigns. Once we have the quality assurance and the guaranteed Irish assurance from those who can do it, we can combine the two to get the message across that buying Irish means buying the best quality. That is the ultimate result.

P J Sheehan (Cork South West, Fine Gael)
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What guarantee does the Minister have?