Dáil debates

Tuesday, 31 March 2009

3:00 pm

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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It is proposed to take No. 15, Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2008 — Second Stage (resumed); and No. 15, Broadcasting Bill 2008 — Order for Report and Report and Final Stages. Private Members' business shall be No. 52, motion re social welfare — consumer debt.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are no proposals to put to the House.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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When the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment was present for the Order of Business on Thursday, I raised with her the problems that are arising as a result of the Defamation Bill being before the relevant committee for the past ten months. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has indicated that a number of amendments to the Bill are being drafted by the Attorney General. This matter is worthy of attention because those on the newspaper side did a deal under which the previous Taoiseach and Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform were supposed to take further action. Will the current Taoiseach, in due course, make available some information regarding the range or nature of the amendments that are under consideration?

The debates on the Bill in the Seanad and on Second Stage in this House were quite lengthy. I would not want the situation regarding the Bill to unravel. This could happen if cover is not given in respect of judgments that are reported by the Press Council. The council will be producing its report this week.

Earlier today I met representatives of the financial payments company, Western Union. I am sure officials from the Department of Finance also met these individuals. As the Taoiseach is aware, Western Union is a major international operator and is seeking to expand its activities in Ireland. In addition to Western Union, PayPal, another financial payments company, employs 900 people in Dublin. These companies are concerned with regard to the transposition of the directive on payment services into Irish law. This directive was adopted by the European Commission in November 2007 and has since been adopted and transposed into law by the UK. The difficulty appears to be that in January the Minister for Finance, Deputy Brian Lenihan, was unable to indicate how he proposed to draft the regulations relating to Article 52.3 of the directive in question, which states, "The payment service provider shall not prevent the payee from requesting from the payer a charge or from offering him a reduction for the use of a given payment instrument."

Western Union and others are anxious to give consideration to expanding their operations — and hence employment — in Ireland. However, the fact that the regulations have not yet been drafted is a cause of some concern. Will the Taoiseach contact the Department of Finance to ensure that the regulations, particularly those relating to Article 52.3 of the payment services directive, be drafted as quickly as possible in order that the directive might be transposed into law?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform indicates that the amendments relating to the Defamation Bill are at an advanced stage of preparation. He is hopeful that they can be brought before the Government, approved, published and inserted into the legislation, which can then be enacted, before the end of the summer session.

The Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment also met the representatives to whom Deputy Kenny refers earlier today. She has given a commitment to expedite the matter with the Minister for Finance in order to identify ways in which we can assist these companies. I agree with the Deputy that the companies have excellent operations. I visited the offices of PayPal last week, which has established a European centre of excellence in Dublin and which employs over 900 people here.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Taoiseach for his reply.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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What is the proposed timetable regarding the introduction of the Finance Bill in the aftermath of next week's budget? Will a social welfare Bill also be required? If so, what will be the timetable relating to it?

It has been indicated in recent months that the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment is willing to facilitate changes in legislation to provide wider and updated powers to the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement. The latter is involved in a number of important investigations, including one relating to Anglo Irish Bank. When will the legislation relating to this matter be introduced? We are of the view that the Director of Corporate Enforcement should be given whatever enhanced powers are required.

The position with regard to management companies continues to give rise to major difficulties for tens of thousands of home owners, particularly in Dublin and Leinster where responsibility for many new developments lies with such companies. As a result of the financial difficulties affecting the construction sector, young people are living in estates and apartment blocks which were constructed by builders or developers who have effectively gone into liquidation and in respect of which there is no actual legal structure in place to govern the activities of management companies. Legislation has continually been promised in this area. The position regarding management companies is creating major problems in the housing market because people wishing to sell on their houses or apartments — in the limited market that exists — are being impeded from doing so if such companies have responsibility for the upkeep of the estates or blocks in which those houses or apartments are located.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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The Minister for Finance has already indicated that the Finance Bill will be introduced in April following the Easter recess. The question of whether a social welfare Bill will be required remains one for decision.

The legislation relating to the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, ODCE, was brought before Cabinet earlier today by the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment. The Tánaiste received approval in respect of the legislation and she will provide whatever resources the ODCE requires to conduct its affairs.

The matter relating to management companies is one which must be dealt with as a matter of urgency. This is a complex area and we are moving towards having the relevant legislation introduced in the House as soon as possible. A Cabinet sub-committee is currently working on the matter.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Does the Government plan to introduce legislation in respect of the funding of third level education? When will the report commissioned by the Minister for Education and Science be made available to Members? Is the Taoiseach aware that the reintroduction of third level fees will have a devastating effect on the number of people from lower income families and from rural areas who will be able to attend third level?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We can discuss that matter on another day.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Yes, but let us hope that we will not be obliged to do so. Will the Taoiseach indicate if legislation is in the offing in respect of this matter?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I am not aware of any legislation being in the offing in respect of this matter. A parliamentary question to the relevant Minister might elicit accurate and up-to-date information in respect of the matter.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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Is the Taoiseach aware of a glitch in the system relating to the medical cards for those who are over 70 years of age? Many people with such medical cards are presenting with prescriptions at their local chemist shops, only——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a question for the Minister for Health and Children.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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——to discover that, according to the HSE website, their cards no longer exist.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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You will have to ask a question which is in order, Deputy Costello.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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Is that the proper implementation of the legislation? How is that taking place? I understand it is the primary care reimbursement service——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The implementation of the legislation, unfortunately, is not in order on the Order of Business. The Deputy will have to raise the question with the Minister for Finance or the Minister for Health and Children.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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He would not answer it. He would say it is a matter for the HSE.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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I understand this was introduced by ministerial order. I am not sure if that is the case. If it concerns secondary legislation——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is secondary legislation promised in this area, Taoiseach?

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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——the Minister might tell us what is wrong with the system and how she will correct it or whether it will have to be corrected by legislation.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, that is not in order. I call Deputy Broughan.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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It is secondary legislation.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I understand the legislation related to this matter was passed before Christmas.

Photo of Michael D HigginsMichael D Higgins (Galway West, Labour)
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Yes. There was a ministerial order.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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If the card is invalid it cannot be used for prescription purposes but if there are specific issues coming to the Deputy's attention on which he needs clarification, contact with the Minster's office to determine the position would be helpful.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Can we all do that?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I understand approximately 19,500 cards have been withdrawn voluntarily.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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I am sure the Minister heard about that before I did. It would have come to the Minister's attention before it came to mine.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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A number of cards have been withdrawn.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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It is happening in my constituency on a widespread basis.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I am not aware of that. The Deputy will have to take it up——

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Can we all contact the Minister's office——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy can put it down for the Adjournment. I call Deputy Broughan.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I refer to the matter I raised under Standing Order 32. I realise we will be very busy on financial matters in the next week or two but would it be possible to discuss the Goodbody report on taxis given that the Oireachtas committee chaired by the Taoiseach's colleague, Frank Fahey, has determined that urgent reform of the taxi sector is needed?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have speeches, Deputy Broughan.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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As usual on transport matters, the Minister opposite has his head in the sand.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must move on.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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Is there any chance we could discuss that report in the House for a few hours?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a matter for the Taoiseach. It is a matter for the Whips.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It would appear that organised crime, which we have raised on this side of the House on numerous occasions, continues unabated. In that regard I draw the Taoiseach's attention to the fact that such items as pipe bombs and material for making pipe bombs have been found on a regular basis. It is also a fact that approximately 14 people have been executed in the whole area of organised crime since the beginning of the year.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy must ask a question that is in order. This is the problem.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It is in order. There is a plethora of promised legislation. I asked the Taoiseach previously, as did other Members of this House, whether it was intended to bring in a single consolidated legislative measure that would crack down once and for all on organised crime and reassure the public that it was the intention of Government to tackle this issue head on. I do not want to read out the entire list of legislation----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. Do not.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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——but it includes No. 71, the Criminal Justice (Cybercrime & Attacks against Information Systems) Bill, the European Evidence Warrant Bill and the Extradition (Amendment) Bill. There is a series of such legislation. I want to reiterate the urgent necessity for somebody somewhere to tackle the issue with a single response. That is not forthcoming.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is legislation promised in this area, Taoiseach?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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In regard to criminal justice Bills, I have replied very frequently in this House on these matters. If a specific question arises today I can read them all out again. If it is the best use of our time, fair enough.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have multiple choice questions.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, I realise the Taoiseach is dealing with other pressing issues but that should not result in——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a point of order.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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——neglecting this issue.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy will have to ask a specific question on legislation. He cannot ask multiple choice questions on the Order of Business.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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This is in respect of promised legislation.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are several good reasons for it. Does the Deputy know the reason he cannot ask multiple choice questions?

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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There are several good reasons. They have been on the Order Paper for the past two or three years and they are not being moved. Why are they not being moved?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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He cannot ask a multiple choice question on the Order of Business because——

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Why are people being shot on the streets on a daily and nightly basis? Why does the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform opposite not do something? His expression has not even changed.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Lynch.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Can I ask, notwithstanding the fact that the Taoiseach does not like to repeat the answers to the House——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy has asked the question. I call Deputy Lynch.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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There are many things the Taoiseach does not like to repeat about——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy has had his run.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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A Cheann Comhairle——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy asked the question and he has received a reply.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Would you not agree, a Cheann Comhairle, as a legal practitioner——

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. I would not agree no matter what you say because you are not in order.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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——that there is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with and it is not being dealt with at the present time?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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It does not matter what the Deputy says. He is out of order and he has been ruled out of order. I call Deputy Lynch.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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Before any further work is done on the mental capacity Bill, and I hope it is fairly well advanced at this stage, I ask that we change the title to the legal capacity Bill. That would change the entire emphasis of the legislation but give a better focus to the legislation.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That sounds like an amendment.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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I am not talking about the detail.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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It sounds like a fact in respect of which you can put down an amendment.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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I understand that, a Cheann Comhairle, and I appreciate your patience but it would give a greater focus on the issues that need to be dealt with.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I will ask the Minister to examine that but I understand the Law Reform Commission spoke about mental capacity in the context of its report and that is probably from where the title of the Bill emanates. I will ask the Minister, Deputy Moloney, and the Minister, Deputy Harney, to examine that.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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That is very outdated thinking.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal North East, Fine Gael)
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Will the Taoiseach indicate a timeframe for the Animal Health and Welfare Bill?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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There is no date yet, unfortunately.

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal North East, Fine Gael)
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Is a date envisaged because there is a sense of urgency about the Bill in that the principal Act was introduced in 1911.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It is urgent.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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In fairness to the Deputy, that would be an indication of its urgency.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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That is a typical response, a Cheann Comhairle. There is no urgency.

Photo of Seymour CrawfordSeymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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In light of the difficulty in getting simple facts from the HSE, when will the Health Information Bill be brought before this House that would allow us believe something we hear from the HSE in the future?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I understand that should be handled some time this year. We are working on that at the moment.

Photo of Seymour CrawfordSeymour Crawford (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
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It is more urgent now.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Is any legislation promised or does the Government intend to bring in legislation to deal with the position of wards of court whose income has been frittered away by the banks——

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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——and who are now left penniless in view of the fact that our courts gave over the money to mind for them because they said their relatives were not capable of doing it? They are now pauperised. The courts gave the money to the banks——

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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Part of it.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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——and the banks frittered the money away, and these people are now left penniless.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is wards of court legislation promised, Taoiseach?

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I understand there was some indication as a result of this matter being raised in the House that we try to accommodate dealing with this issue in the mental capacity Bill mentioned by Deputy Lynch.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Does the Taoiseach think they will get back their money? Will the State give them back their money?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Stagg, it is an important question but I cannot allow it now.