Dáil debates

Wednesday, 7 May 2008

4:00 pm

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Iarraim ar an Taoiseach an tairiscint a dhéanamh.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I move:

That, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, the proceedings on No. 2, nomination of members of the Government, shall be brought to a conclusion at 8.15 p.m. and the following arrangements shall apply:

(a) the speech of the Taoiseach and the Leader of the Fine Gael Party, the Labour Party and Sinn Féin, or a Member nominated in his or her stead, who shall be called upon in that order, shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case;

(b) the speech of each Member called upon shall not exceed ten minutes in each case;

(c) Members may share time;

(d) and a member of Government shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed five minutes.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the motion agreed?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It is not agreed. There are some changes but there is no real change about this. We have already lost 15 minutes from the appointed time at which this House was to reconvene and debate the members to be appointed to Government. Since the foundation of the State there have been eight occasions when the debate on the formation of a Government was of one, two or three days' duration. In some cases the motion was for four days, including the transfer of power from Charles Haughey to Albert Reynolds, and from the latter to John Bruton in 1994.

The allocation of time proposed by the Taoiseach, to 8.15 p.m., is insufficient. This country faces a whole range of issues and challenges, which Deputies on this side of the House want to debate in respect of the persons who are being either appointed or reappointed to Departments. Therefore, I respectfully propose an amendment to the Taoiseach's proposal that the discussion on the nomination of members of the Government conclude at 9.15 p.m. and that a vote be taken thereafter.

This is a reasonable request in view of the fact that this is not the appointment of a new Government, but the reappointment of persons who are already jaded and who have proven themselves to be failures in dealing with the many challenges the country faces.

Photo of Dermot AhernDermot Ahern (Louth, Fianna Fail)
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Wishful thinking.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I support Deputy Kenny's proposal. What we are doing here concerning the election of a Government is a very important constitutional function whereby the elected Members — the 166 people who have been sent to this House by the people of the country — effectively transfer executive authority from the Dáil to the members of the Government. We have spent the last month paying tributes and giving congratulatory speeches, yet two hours is all the Taoiseach is proposing in order to debate the formation of this recycled Government.

Deputies:

Shame.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I therefore support Deputy Kenny's proposal that the time be extended by one hour. It is a reasonable request and one to which the new Taoiseach could readily agree.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I wish to support the other Opposition party leaders in an appeal to An Taoiseach to extend the time so as to allow a greater number of Members to comment on the announcement of a new Cabinet this evening. It would indicate a much more constructive way of moving forward if agreement could be presented by the new Taoiseach and his new Chief Whip to this reasonable request from the collective Opposition voices.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must put the question concerning the amendment in the name of Deputy Kenny.

Photo of Dan NevilleDan Neville (Limerick West, Fine Gael)
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Let us hear from the Taoiseach.

Photo of Leo VaradkarLeo Varadkar (Dublin West, Fine Gael)
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It is like Zimbabwe, a dictatorship.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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As regards the amendment in the name of Deputy Kenny——

(Interruptions).

Photo of Dan NevilleDan Neville (Limerick West, Fine Gael)
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Shame.

Photo of Leo VaradkarLeo Varadkar (Dublin West, Fine Gael)
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We still have a Parliament. They will not shut us up.

Question put: "That the figures proposed to be deleted stand."

The Dail Divided:

For the motion: 86 (Bertie Ahern, Dermot Ahern, Michael Ahern, Noel Ahern, Barry Andrews, Chris Andrews, Seán Ardagh, Bobby Aylward, Joe Behan, Niall Blaney, Áine Brady, Cyprian Brady, Johnny Brady, John Browne, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Carey, Niall Collins, Margaret Conlon, Seán Connick, Mary Coughlan, Brian Cowen, John Cregan, Ciarán Cuffe, Martin Cullen, John Curran, Noel Dempsey, Jimmy Devins, Timmy Dooley, Frank Fahey, Michael Finneran, Michael Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Beverley Flynn, Pat Gallagher, John Gormley, Noel Grealish, Mary Hanafin, Mary Harney, Seán Haughey, Máire Hoctor, Billy Kelleher, Peter Kelly, Brendan Kenneally, Michael Kennedy, Tony Killeen, Séamus Kirk, Michael Kitt, Tom Kitt, Brian Lenihan Jnr, Conor Lenihan, Michael Lowry, Martin Mansergh, Micheál Martin, Jim McDaid, Tom McEllistrim, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, John Moloney, Michael Moynihan, Michael Mulcahy, M J Nolan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Darragh O'Brien, Charlie O'Connor, Willie O'Dea, Noel O'Flynn, Rory O'Hanlon, Batt O'Keeffe, Batt O'Keeffe, Mary O'Rourke, Christy O'Sullivan, Peter Power, Seán Power, Dick Roche, Eamon Ryan, Trevor Sargent, Eamon Scanlon, Brendan Smith, Noel Treacy, Mary Wallace, Mary White, Michael Woods)

Against the motion: 71 (Bernard Allen, James Bannon, Seán Barrett, Pat Breen, Tommy Broughan, Richard Bruton, Ulick Burke, Joan Burton, Catherine Byrne, Joe Carey, Deirdre Clune, Paul Connaughton, Noel Coonan, Simon Coveney, Seymour Crawford, Michael Creed, Lucinda Creighton, Michael D'Arcy, John Deasy, Jimmy Deenihan, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Frank Feighan, Martin Ferris, Charles Flanagan, Terence Flanagan, Eamon Gilmore, Brian Hayes, Tom Hayes, Michael D Higgins, Phil Hogan, Brendan Howlin, Paul Kehoe, Enda Kenny, Ciarán Lynch, Kathleen Lynch, Pádraic McCormack, Shane McEntee, Dinny McGinley, Joe McHugh, Liz McManus, Olivia Mitchell, Arthur Morgan, Denis Naughten, Dan Neville, Michael Noonan, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Kieran O'Donnell, Fergus O'Dowd, Jim O'Keeffe, John O'Mahony, Brian O'Shea, Jan O'Sullivan, John Perry, Ruairi Quinn, Pat Rabbitte, James Reilly, Michael Ring, Alan Shatter, Tom Sheahan, P J Sheehan, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Emmet Stagg, David Stanton, Billy Timmins, Joanna Tuffy, Mary Upton, Leo Varadkar, Jack Wall)

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Curran; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I advise the Ceann Comhairle that 15 minutes of Dáil time were lost before the Government came into the Chamber.

(Interruptions.)

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must now——

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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That is a fact and we should continue until 8.30 p.m. in any event, because that time was not lost due to the action of the House.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, Deputy Kenny, but I have strict procedures here. I must ask whether the main motion is agreed to.

Deputies:

Abuse of the House.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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In that context, some 15 minutes were lost because the Government was late coming in, whether because of traffic or whatever. The debate should then continue until 8.30 p.m. The 15 minutes were lost, not because of the House's actions, but owing to the Government's failure to come in on time. Is that 15 minutes being allowed now?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is in the context of the main motion being agreed.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Yes, it is.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I agree to that.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is agreed.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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That is the first consensus from the new Taoiseach.

Motion, as amended, put and agreed to.