Dáil debates

Wednesday, 19 October 2005

Ceisteanna — Questions.

Chief State Solicitor's Office.

11:00 am

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Question 1: To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on the implementation of the Nally report on the reorganisation of the Chief State Solicitor's office; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24232/05]

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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The recommendations of the Nally report regarding the re-organisation of the Chief State Solicitor's office have been largely implemented. Agreement with the unions involved was achieved during 2001. The criminal prosecution functions undertaken by the Chief State Solicitor's office were transferred to the Office of Director of Public Prosecutions at the end of 2001.

A common promotion pool within the two offices, between the CSSO and the solicitors' division of the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, for professional solicitor and technical promotion posts formed part of the agreement and this now operates. A negotiating process with local State solicitors is currently under way seeking to agree on the transfer of the service to the DPP. A review of the current workload of local State solicitors and their expense base is almost completed. Enabling legislation and appropriate legislative provisions are contained in the Civil Service Regulation (Amendment) Act 2005, which was signed by the President on 9 July 2005.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Last year the Taoiseach informed the House that there were 17 vacancies in the Chief State Solicitor's office of which nine were professional, five were technical and three were support posts. Does he have the information on what posts were filled or are those positions still unfilled?

Perhaps the Taoiseach has information about the amount of work outsourced from the Chief State Solicitor's office to private solicitors. Is there cost involved for the taxpayer and if so, how much is it? If work is to be outsourced is this because of lack of expertise arising from manpower difficulties in the Chief State Solicitor's office?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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The CSSO has recruited mostly additional approved staff. The staffing complement has averaged about 225 over the past year. The office currently has 12 vacancies comprising one professional post, eight technical and three support staff posts.

Similarly, the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has recruited additional staff, as sanctioned, and currently has a serving staff complement of approximately 170 full time equivalents. I understand there are only one or two vacancies in the DPP's office, which are in the process of being filled. On the question of outsourcing, there is no reason for not contracting out legal work if the CSSO wants to do this. In the recent past it has contracted out some specific cases where the workload involved was beyond the capacity of the office to handle. It was not that it did not possess the technical expertise, but rather it related to the volume of work. The office has made extensive use of counsel, also, in dealing with its day to day case load.

As regards the DPP's office, more prosecution work is outsourced to barristers in private practice than in most other common law jurisdictions. The tendency in other common law jurisdictions is to make greater use of in-house lawyers, but the DPP's office still outsources a large amount of work to private practice.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Does the Taoiseach recall that when he launched the report on the regulatory impact analysis, RIA, in July, he also announced the establishment of a new business regulation group? In the course of that he spoke of the burdens faced by the Irish business community in terms of regulations. Can he outline to the House——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not relevant to Question No. 1.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I beg the House's pardon.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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As regards Question No. 1, did the Taoiseach see the story in The Irish Times about an extradition warrant for a paedophile, which went missing?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I did not.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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I thought it was the type of thing that might stick in his mind, if he had seen it. Will he comment on how it happened——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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That matter does not arise out of this question.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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——in the context of the efficacy of the Chief State Solicitor's office?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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It does not arise out of this question.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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We are talking about the implementation of the Nally report for the reorganisation and efficiency-——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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If the Deputy has a specific question, it should be addressed to the relevant line Minister. It certainly does not arise out of this question.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Ceann Comhairle may relax. The Taoiseach is well able to handle it.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Taoiseach may well be able to handle it, but he may not be out of order any more than the Deputy.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Ceann Comhairle does not disagree with the Deputy's confidence in the Taoiseach.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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Is the Taoiseach aware of the case to which I refer?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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That matter does not arise out of this question. This question deals with the reorganisation of the Chief State Solicitor's office. It is a single question in the name of Deputy Kenny. If Deputies were to raise every case of justice in the country we should be here until midnight.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The whole purpose of the Nally report was to ensure that these organs of the State are functioning to optimum efficiency. I am merely pointing to one case that appears to suggest that they are not functioning as efficiently as we thought, after the implementation of the Nally report. With respect, I suggest this is a perfectly legitimate way to ask the Taoiseach——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Chair has ruled on the matter. As the Deputy well knows, the question is only specific in so far as it refers to the Taoiseach's responsibility, not that of line Ministers.