Dáil debates

Wednesday, 13 April 2005

10:30 am

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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People the world over have an innate fear of flying because of global terrorism. The findings and revelations by the European Civil Aviation Conference of the consequences of an inspection carried out at Dublin Airport led to these fears being exacerbated. People will be concerned at the revelations contained in media reports that inspectors were able to smuggle dangerous objects such as knives, other instruments and even a replica bomb through the screening system. These security breaches will send worrying signals to the United States authorities which are currently involved in a review of airport security systems and anti-terrorist activities.

In view of the seriousness of these revelations and the extraordinary comment made by the Dublin Airport Authority that passenger safety was not compromised, has the Government sought a report from the Irish Aviation Authority on how these breaches have occurred? Is it because of the inadequate screening ability of the equipment used by the personnel at the airport who are courteous but always under pressure? What steps are being taken to ensure similar breaches do not occur at other Irish airports and will there be an audit of security at those airports?

Has the Taoiseach asked the Dublin Airport Authority to supply details of the situation to the Government so we can be sure that passenger safety has not been compromised and that those who must shuffle through the corral on a daily basis do so in the firm knowledge that their safety is not compromised and that persons either before or behind them in the line are not carrying dangerous weapons such as knives and replica bombs which will go undetected by the screening systems used in Dublin Airport? I hope the Government will address this matter of serious concern and respond appropriately.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is a matter of serious concern to the Government. The travelling public, particularly those who travel by air, are aware of the security issues arising from what has happened in many countries over the last four or five years. People understand the necessity of security searches and the delays which sometimes arise as a consequence. The Department of Transport conducts regular security inspections and tests of aviation facilities and operations at Irish airports. This work is ongoing but is not flagged for obvious reasons. In addition, aviation facilities and operators at airports are subject to audit by the European Union and the European Civil Aviation Conference in partnership with the Department of Transport.

The Government has sought a detailed report of how these matters arose and what is required as a consequence. That would happen in the normal course of an audit following any such breaches. It is a matter of concern that during this particular audit, a number of control tests by the inspectors breached security arrangements. As is normal in these situations, action is taken either on the spot or quickly thereafter to rectify the weaknesses. Officials of the Department of Transport and the Dublin Airport Authority were on hand quickly to ensure all appropriate action was taken and that the security breaches identified were addressed immediately. This particular audit started on Monday morning and was scheduled to run until tomorrow. I am unsure how its continuation will be handled now that the details have emerged. It may be rescheduled for another time.

I agree with Deputy Kenny that security at airports is paramount. Whatever is necessary after any of these audits will be done. We are obliged to ensure audits are undertaken frequently either by departmental or EU officials. Deputy Kenny observed that the people doing these jobs are courteous and work very hard. Some of them have pointed out to me that delays are inevitable if they check everything, particularly if they get quite finicky about every issue as the public probably wants them to be. One member of staff contacted me last night to tell me how the knife was concealed and how detailed a process would be required to follow through on all these issues.

However, this may be what is required. If an incident takes place on an airplane all hell breaks loose. I understand the difficulties for the staff but there seems to be no way around this. Despite rumours to the contrary last night, no guns or live ammunition were used in the course of the security tests on Monday or yesterday.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Taoiseach for telling us that he sought a report from the Irish Aviation Authority. That report should be published and the appropriate action taken as set out in its recommendations. The Taoiseach did not say whether there are to be audits at other airports to ensure a comprehensive overview. It seems from media reports that it is not a question of how the knife was concealed but of where it was concealed. People who have hip operations say to me they sometimes set off the metal detector going through the airport. Are the facilities to detect knives or replica bombs inadequate? It would put the fear of God into anybody to think that a person in the same queue to board a plane travelling to America or elsewhere would smuggle equipment onto that plane for terrorist purposes.

Twenty-eight outbound flights were delayed this morning. The early morning flights before 8 a.m. will always be affected seriously by this. Over 18 million people will pass through Dublin airport this year. The Taoiseach and other members of the Government do not have to shuffle through the corral before reaching the point where they have to present their tickets or shuffle through the screening systems. However, consideration must be had for the travelling public. The officials should be able to do their business safely without compromising the public in terms of time.

In this regard one should consider the dithering by Government in recent years over a second airport terminal. If this facility existed to deal with 18 million passengers per annum, it would make it more convenient for people to do their business and travel inwards and outwards. The number of passengers is to increase to 30 million per annum over the next ten to 15 years. The Government should make a decision on the second terminal and conduct an audit of the airports to determine whether the facilities available to the staff are capable of detecting concealed knives.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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In reply to Deputy Kenny's questions, there are audits of Dublin Airport and the other airports. The point I was making is that they are not signalled in advance. This would obviously undermine their purpose, which is to ensure that security checks are carried out.

In respect of the report in question and all other reports, the facilities are examined in detail and changes or recommendations for whatever is required are either implemented on the spot or immediately thereafter. Equipment, technology or other measures required to ensure we have the best security are always put in place. I do not believe there are any difficulties about any of these issues. If there are, the Airport Authority and the Minister can deal with them. The Minister has already asked for a report in this case and normally receives such reports. The Department of Transport will deal with the matter.

Of course the Government is addressing the issues associated with the growing numbers using our airports. The new Aer Lingus terminal is only open for two years. The existing facilities are very modern. A considerable construction job has been done on the existing terminal, which is only a new terminal. However, there are plans afoot for the future because the numbers are growing. It is likely that we will have 25 million passengers per annum in the next decade.

The staff that undertake security work are trained, well qualified and competent. However, whenever a breach occurs, the problem must be rectified, as it will be in this case.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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For more than 25 years, the Taoiseach has been reputed to run an extremely expensive constituency operation out of St. Luke's. He is proud of his reputation as one who works at ground level frequently. In that case, how is it that he does not know about the phenomenon of anti-social behaviour? If he does, how come the Government is not doing anything to address it? Does he understand the extent to which the lives of ordinary people in so many communities are being blighted by anti-social behaviour? Does he appreciate that people are living in fear in communities because of vandalism, petty crime, anti-social behaviour and congregating youths whose activities are characterised by menace, intimidation and harassment?

The Taoiseach must have the same number of cases in his constituency as I do in mine. I know this phenomenon is worst in local authority estates but it is not only a phenomenon of such estates. The Taoiseach must know that the lives of women living alone, old people, immigrants and people who are selected for persecution and harassment merely because they are perceived to be different in some way are being made a misery in so many neighbours. I am told that this is no longer just an urban phenomenon. It is so serious that my office reckons one in four of the cases with which it deals relates to anti-social behaviour.

People are being driven out of communities in which they have put down roots and worked. People's property is being destroyed in their driveway. Only last Saturday, a woman visited me whose car has been damaged three times since Christmas. Youths are selecting people for persecution. There is joyriding in the vicinity in the evening and at night. Drug taking is occurring in public spaces and parks.

The desecration of the environment is also a factor, as is the tearing down of telephone booths and the existence of graffiti everywhere. It is an horrific problem, not least for those living alone and old people who are afraid to go to the shop or venture out in the evening. It is simply not acceptable that so many of our citizens have no resort to anyone to give them relief. They are living under the circumstances I have described day in, day out. What is the Government doing about this? The Taoiseach must know about it given the constituency machine that operates out of St. Luke's.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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Of course I know about it. As the Deputy inferred, I have known about people being involved in anti-social behaviour for 28 years and the kinds of difficulties that affect the Deputy's area, my area and others. I note the good work of the Garda over the years and the legislation we have passed in this House. This is reflected in my constituency where statistics produced this year, last year and the preceding year indicate reductions in crime.

There is a problem with anti-social behaviour. The Minister has identified it very clearly and has spoken about it. The Criminal Justice Bill before the House is targeted directly at making provision in this regard and allowing us to deal with this issue in a new way by examining what is happening in other countries. The anti-social behaviour orders in the Bill are designed to deal with the problem. Under the Bill, a civil order can be made in respect of an individual. If the individual breaches it he or she will be guilty of a criminal offence. That individual can be taken up without warrant. Curfews can be applied in certain areas.

Also provided for is a string of other powers that are necessary to stop what is a small group of people who continually harass their neighbours and communities. Sometimes the individuals are under age and although we have passed tough laws in this House, whereby drink can be taken from them and whereby they are not allowed to loiter or use their ghettoblasters or motorbikes, some of them still persist in engaging in such activities. It is for that reason the Minister has, in this Criminal Justice Bill, adopted what will be regarded by many as a draconian position. If the Minister had tried to introduced the legislation some years ago, the reaction might have been different.

I well remember the Criminal Justice Act passed in this House 20 years ago. Certain people, including myself, were fighting at that stage for far tougher measures but there was no support for them. However, now that we suffer at the hands of a small band of people who engage in the aforementioned activities, I hope we will all support the Minister. I know Deputy Rabbitte will do so because he often speaks on the matter. It is tough to introduce civil orders the breaching of which will be a criminal offence. It will be possible to apprehend those who breach the orders without warrant. These are very tough measures. People will be down to St. Luke's complaining about them. Parents do so now and say their Johnny is getting a rough time from the police. However, the reality is that if young people do not get a bit of a rough time from the police, we will never address these issues. I welcome the tough measures and the orders the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is bringing before the House in this session. While this House would not have supported these in the past they are now necessary to stop a small band of hooligans who persist in doing the things Deputy Rabbitte has mentioned.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach is kidding himself if he thinks that is an effective response to the phenomenon I am bringing to his attention. The Taoiseach can ask the Tánaiste about our good labour laws and how the problems occurred at Gama Construction.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Tánaiste brought Gama Construction into the country.

Photo of Mary HarneyMary Harney (Dublin Mid West, Progressive Democrats)
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That is not true.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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If the law is not enforced it is an academic topic for debate. The people who visit me every week are not interested in a lecture about existing laws or those in prospect, or the speeches of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. They are interested in what happens on a Saturday night when they are under siege from youths congregating outside who threaten them in their own homes, when their cars and property are being damaged and when they do not know whether the local school can be left vacant during summer recess because of the extent of damage to schools and public property.

Community policing does not obtain in most urban areas. As soon as the community police officer establishes a rapport with the local community he or she is transferred elsewhere. At the first sign of crisis the first person to be raided is the community police officer. There are no active community patrols in many of the neighbourhoods at issue. Resort to the Garda Síochána does not work because the Garda does not respond effectively. People plead for help in their homes but cannot get it from the local authority or the Garda.

We must address the question of community policing with people indigenous to the community who know the troublesome factions. We need to develop community sanctions and make these factions clean up the mess they create. We must give people who live in these circumstances some relief. It is pointless for the Taoiseach to tell me he has known about this for 28 years. This did not happen 28 years ago on the scale on which it happens everywhere now.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I do not know what type of area Deputy Rabbitte represents——

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach is out there often enough.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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——but the problems he mentions have been around for 28 years and far longer.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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There used to be gardaí.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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There are 14,000 gardaí.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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There are no gardaí on the beat.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach is meeting too many Heads of State.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Seven minutes were allotted for this question. Deputy Rabbitte has used five and a half minutes. The Taoiseach is entitled to be heard without interruption and the Chair will insist on that.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach is out of touch.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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There are more gardaí than ever before.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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They are minding Farmleigh.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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A large proportion of gardaí policed the Border and were involved in Northern Ireland duties but when the ceasefire in Northern Ireland was declared this Government moved many of those gardaí back into urban areas to deal with anti-social behaviour and crime. That is why there has been a significant reduction in crime in many areas across the board.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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People are afraid to report crime.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have over 1,200 extra gardaí. We spend 90% more on the Garda Síochána than we did in 1997. We have put far more resources into the force than ever before, we have more Garda technology, manpower, facilities and prisons. Deputy Rabbitte asked——

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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It is a failure of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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It is the Minister's failure.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Labour Party Members are on cue this morning. As soon as the Taoiseach speaks they all start chattering. If they would stay quiet for a minute I could give them some facts.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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It is in the Taoiseach's hands.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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They are trying to display a semblance of unity.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Rabbitte stated that laws are no good but I am not sure what he is suggesting as the alternative. The only way we can deal with these issues is by having proper laws.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Put gardaí on the streets.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Enforce the laws.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I hope when we bring in tough orders that there will not be the usual lame approach to them.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Put in the gardaí to enforce them.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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We need action on them.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I recall what the Opposition said when two years ago a community garda in this city stood up to deal with the unfair elements. I answered in this House for that garda, who tried to clear out a few hooligans and vandals from the May Day celebrations. I was trying to defend the poor man. The Labour Party talks about community gardaí but give no support to community policing.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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That is outrageous.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach told us he was with the people. He was clearing the way.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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He was some community garda.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Labour Party gives the Garda Síochána no support but undermines it instead. If it wants to help the gardaí it should give them the powers and support they need.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Give them a few batons.

Photo of Joe CostelloJoe Costello (Dublin Central, Labour)
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Batons rather than resources.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Labour Party Members should not talk out of both sides of their mouths. They should support the Garda Síochána and civil orders and criminal justice issues. That is what they need to do. It is the old story — Deputy Rabbitte went on a few tours and attended a few meetings where he heard this problem has been around for years.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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The Taoiseach said it has been going on for 28 years.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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He is raising it today but he has no interest in supporting tough action by a tough Minister to deal with this issue. We will test him on that in a few weeks' time.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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The moral authority for this Government to pronounce on law-breaking is paper thin. Apart from anti-social behaviour, the corruption at Gama Construction and tax fraud, the Government is infamous for being taken to task for not complying with EU law. Ireland is cited in the second highest number of legal actions by the EU Commission for infringements of EU law, and in the highest number of complaints per capita on environmental issues. One wonders how the Taoiseach can say that will all be put right when he is in the doghouse in regard to EU legislation.

For example, my colleague, Deputy Gormley, is pursuing the Government's lack of action to prevent malodours, as they are politely called, from waste water treatment plants. The Commission has repeatedly told this Government that legislation is needed to regulate waste water plants. It says we need to protect water sources and that disinfecting water with chlorine is linked to various cancers.

The Government needs to pull up its socks in respect of EU legislation. The Taoiseach and the former Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Cullen, officiated at the opening of the waste water treatment plant in May 2003. Will the Taoiseach seek an investigation to establish why problems have persisted there over these two years and why the Commission has repeatedly reminded the Government of the need to take action? Why was it necessary for Deputy Gormley to go to Brussels to meet with officials and lodge an official complaint before any action could be taken? What action will be taken?

The Taoiseach presided over and accepted the plaudits for the opening of the plant, but will he accept political responsibility and commission an investigation to enable people know what the problem is and deal with it?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am delighted Deputy Sargent is taking such a pro-European stance.

Photo of Dan BoyleDan Boyle (Cork South Central, Green Party)
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He always has.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I always have.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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He opposes every treaty but he uses every power that the treaties give us.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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Will the Taoiseach answer the question?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will, but the inconsistency amuses me. I am entitled to be amused.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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It is hypocrisy.

Photo of Mary HarneyMary Harney (Dublin Mid West, Progressive Democrats)
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We are entitled to have a laugh.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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We are entitled to get an answer to the question.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Sargent had two minutes to ask his question without interruption. The Taoiseach is entitled to the same facility. The Deputy cannot frustrate a democratic Parliament and prevent somebody called by the Chair from responding.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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The Taoiseach frustrates us all the time.

11:00 am

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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Under the EU constitution, environmentalists have the power to deal with these issues. The Minister is committed to following these powers.

In the context of the complaint about Ringsend, to which Deputy Sargent referred, the Commission criticises Ireland for not having rules relating to odour from waste water plants. The draft binding rules are being finalised by the Department to comply with this requirement. The reality is that Ringsend and the new water treatments plants throughout the country have been built and operated to the highest European standards. They are all new. The work has been carried out with the help of European funding. We followed the Commission's directions in this regard. The reality is that the rules will not prevent odours arising from time to time while a new plant is being commissioned and settling. This is the technical advice we have been given. Obviously these issues must be addressed by the builders and operators of the plants, and they are endeavouring to do so.

On the other issues, we are not out of line with other countries. When the environmental commissioner issues reports, we do our utmost to deal fully with them and improve our standards, which is being done.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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As expected, I did not get a reply. I asked if the Taoiseach would initiate an investigation but he did not answer me. I ask him that question again. I do not have to remind him about the list of legal actions which are taking place on nitrates, sewage plants, waste at Tara Mines, wetlands in the Boyne estuary, ozone depleting substances and oil pollution. There is such an array of legal actions that I cannot imagine how the Taoiseach can sit there and say everything is fine. He must take responsibility for an issue about which people have given up complaining, not unlike the anti-social behaviour issue. If one lives in Ringsend, Sandymount or the south-east area, one will be faced with problems on a daily basis. Does the Taoiseach accept that and think it is fine? The reality is that unless the matter is investigated, he will be standing over more than €300 million of taxpayers' money being misspent in this case, and he will be standing over the environmental effects which are causing serious problems for people's quality of life.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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What about Dublin Bay?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy——

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I am being barracked, a Cheann Comhairle, so I wonder if you will pay equal attention to both sides.

Photo of Martin CullenMartin Cullen (Waterford, Fianna Fail)
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What about the blue flags?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Allow Deputy Sargent to conclude.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Will there be an investigation into how public money has been spent and why problems have not been addressed? Will the Taoiseach set a commissioning date?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy's time has concluded.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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The plant has not been commissioned two years after it was opened. It was promised that it would be fully commissioned within ten weeks. Does the Taoiseach realise there is a need for an investigation into this matter and will he oversee that?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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To say it is a major problem and to ignore all that has been happening in Dublin Bay is not correct. Dublin Bay has been cleaned up. A magnificent job has been done in the area.

Photo of Brian CowenBrian Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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People who were never able to do so are now swimming in the bay.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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Is it operating to capacity?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Taoiseach without interruption, please.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is one of the most significant and best jobs carried out around the coastline. The new water plant schemes around the country have been built to the highest standards with the best equipment. They have done extremely well.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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They are too small.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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It was accepted by everyone, including Dublin Corporation, the Minister and everyone involved, that when tests were carried out last summer and at other times that there was an odour in the area. The builders and the technical people who installed the equipment are trying to limit this odour to the best of their ability. It is not a matter of adding something else to highly sophisticated equipment which will get rid of the odour overnight. The problem does not call for an inquiry. Technically competent people built and commissioned the equipment.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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They are incompetent.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Does the Deputy wish to leave the House?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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They are doing their utmost to limit the odour and I hope they will finalise any outstanding technical issues as soon as possible.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Gormley, please.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Dublin South East, Progressive Democrats)
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Let us have a tribunal.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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We do not need a tribunal.