Seán Fleming (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)

I want that figure either now or in the immediate future. It is not there. The HSE's chief executive told the Committee of Public Accounts that it is costing €380 million up front to achieve a saving of €80 million net per annum in the HSE. He broke down those figures at the Committee of Public Accounts. The Minister has misread his own chart. The bottom line on chart No. 3 refers to an Exchequer pay bill net of PRD, public related deduction, which goes from €16.7 billion in 2009 to €13.7 billion in 2015. That is a reduction of €3 billion, yet the figure in the chart is €3.8 billion. That figure is not a correct assessment of the bottom line the Minister quoted. It is a simple fact that the Minister quoted the wrong figure.

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