Martin Cullen (Waterford, Fianna Fail)

The simple answer is "Yes". I have set it out for the Deputy. Clear measurements are being put in place to ensure we can measure the outcomes.

The Deputy is correct — I have no argument with that point. There is a policy on one side but there is a question as to whether we are maximising the outcomes on the other. This is why, within NAPinclusion and the measurements being put in place and monitored by the Department and a number of the agencies, we will be able specifically to judge what outcomes we are achieving with the families with whom we are interacting. We should be able to learn from this whether the mix is correct or incorrect.

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