Mr. Fergal O'Leary:

I will not give an opinion. I will rely on evidence. It is clearly the case that the board's oversight of the executive and the organisation was lacking. Was the board being given the right information by the executive? That could equally be the case. However, we regulate 431 AHBs and when we assess them through monitoring, notifiable events or our assessment programme, what we are looking for is recording in the minutes over a period that the board is asking the right questions and that the executive is giving the right-----