Mr. Bernard Gloster:

My understanding, without wanting to be unfair to anyone, is that the origin was in what we might call the wider technology part of the organisation. I want to be fair to the many there who might have had something to do with it. The matter then transitioned to another part of the centre of the organisation in our old structure, namely, the national office for hospitals, which no longer exists. Then it started to progress out to the regions or local areas, and that is actually when the flag was run up the pole.