Mr. Ben Friel:

From our perspective, there are three small challenges, as Mr. Nolan put it, that would have the biggest impact by a mile. They are pay and getting rid of the student contribution charges.

That is where students and, more specifically, apprentices will see value. As the Senator said, it is a small change legislatively. It is about putting your money where your mouth is. If we are serious about developing skills and the economy, we need to invest in all forms of apprenticeships on the basis of whichever model. As Mr. Nolan said, it is about taking the best of both models to create a system that works for everyone. It is clear from what we have said today that we see the good parts of apprenticeships, as do employers. It is about asking how we maximise that and get rid of some of the less desirable qualities.