William Aird (Laois, Fine Gael)
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-----than the Government because she works with animals every day. My point is that when we have the Minister or the officials - it will be Ted Massey who comes in to us as well, and a couple more people - sitting there, we just have to ask them if we can have joined-up thinking. That is all. The farmer will have to pay again if the witnesses are able to even buy the information from the State. I am not saying that is right or wrong, but they are certainly entitled to the information that is out there. I agree with them on that. They cannot carry out the diligent work they are doing on behalf of farmers if they do not have that. It is the decision of the farmer as to where he wants to go. That is the other side of it. I have to stand up for farmers and say that. It is not an either-or situation; they all give a great service. I can give everyone the history. We cannot deny how it all started, and every grant that came out. It gets worse after that. There is no farmer now who can do it.

Deputy Newsome Drennan is so good at getting at me. Maybe she is able to fill up the forms-----