Mr. Fergal O'Leary:

We have hundreds of engagements with the 436 approved housing bodies that are currently registered with us. As I said in my statement, the case of Peter McVerry is not representative of any of the others that we engage with. The issues are far more serious than we have seen anywhere else. What we do though is make sure that where smaller issues occur, we work with the organisations.

There is an important point as to why the issues in the trust were not uncovered sooner. AHBRA does have to acknowledge that we did not do that. We simply were not up and running long enough. Our assessment programme had not started. Somewhat ironically, the trust was down for assessment later in 2023. That would have uncovered issues, but we were not up and running long enough. It also proves that we could not rely just on information that was given to us by AHBs. We no longer do that.