Jack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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It is important to promote reform in the context of the expenditure discussions we are having. The carry-over requires analysis of usage or the intensification of a particular scheme, for example. That can vary and is dependent on lots of factors. In the health system the demand profile has been increasing and continues to increase. In other areas the demand might fall. That is why there is variability across schemes and across Departments. Part of the overall engagement around ELS or around the Deputy's question on the ELS is to take a deeper dive into the outputs relating to existing expenditure lines in the interest of creating space in some instances for additional measures, but in other instances trying to reform how outputs may not be being delivered despite the increase in expenditure. That is the basis of our discussion.