Mr. Andy Pike:

I will ask Mr. Hearne to come in on caretaker pay but the situation is that the last time the Department reviewed the hourly rate for school caretakers was 2019. The last circular on this is still at €13 an hour. Anything above that has to be negotiated with the board of management, so it is whatever someone's board of manager will give them. Auto-enrolment is far inferior to the public service pension arrangements. Even when that is implemented, we are still going to have this two-tier system, with teachers and SNAs within the public service arrangements but not caretakers. Will Mr. Hearne expand a little on caretakers pay?