Mr. Graham Doyle:

In the first instance, the value of the services provided by that organisation, and indeed all of these organisations, is huge in the context of the services people need provided to them. In respect of the situation that arose in this case, a lot of it seems to have arisen as a result of some of its practices and how some pricing was done. There are a range of issues. I need to choose my words carefully because some of the processes are ongoing. It is incredibly important, from a State perspective, that we put a governance structure in place insofar as we can as funders. As the Deputy said, we cannot go down right into the day-to-day operations of any entity. The State has regulatory bodies in place such as the Charities Regulator and the AHB regulator. There is compliance under the Companies Act as well as audits and local government audit services. NOAC does work around all the services with which local government engage. There is a whole suite of governance. Short of going down and being on the ground, you do what you can at an overall governance level to set standards and processes that you can put in place. When something goes wrong, you have to learn whatever lessons you can from it and try to incorporate those. That is the nature of trying to govern and control public expenditure or indeed just how any entity operates in the economy.