Ms Deirdre Veldon:

The thing to understand is that we have no power in this relationship. If we had power in the relationship, we would be able to assert our rights and entitlements and to get adequate compensation and attribution. We very much need the State, and the EU for that matter, to help us. We need help from the international publishing community to assert our rights. We are looking at what is going on elsewhere. A number of different methods are being adopted, with varying degrees of success.

This relates to the levy as well. Where there was success in taking on some of the platforms - under competition law, for example, with the likes of TikTok paying over €500 million - those platforms look at that now as the cost of doing business. They are happy to do that.