Evanne Ní Chuilinn (Fine Gael)
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First, I greatly appreciate the arts. I grew up in a house that was obsessed with the arts. I was in orchestras, choirs and dance schools but appreciate good governance. I think the Arts Council would accept there is learning for everyone around governance failings over the last couple of years. It is an awful lot of money to fall through the tracks.

I will pick up on the points that Deputy Cleere made about the original costs. The revised fee was €3.5 million and it was then abandoned after a cost of €6.5 million but then there was acceptance of an off-the-shelf system. There was some discussion on the sign-up and the subscription. Does the director know how much the off-the-shelf system would cost?