Mr. Stephen Mulvany:

I accept that. The external consultancy firms are not typically the providers of agency services. A different range of firms provide the bulk of our agency nurses, physios, administrators, etc. The equivalent of three external people on the seven-person unit in the productivity and savings task force are there for their external expertise, adding to the internal expertise of HSE staff. There is no conflict there. They are different. That is part of the overall effort the CEO has led to reduce our reliance on management consultancy. Where the specific type of management consultancy we are discussing is concerned, the target was to drop it by 30% against the quarter 1 2023 baseline and keep it reduced. We have hit that target. We got most of it done in 2023 and have hit it and maintained the decrease in 2024. While we are using a small amount of extra consultancy for the productivity and savings task force, it is part of dropping the overall reliance-----