Ms Linda Kelly:

To comment quickly on what the Deputy said, which were very articulate, especially in relation to new graduates coming out of training, what we see, and we included this in our substantive submission, when we look at the agency cost for the time of the embargo compared to when the pay and numbers strategy was introduced to replace it, we can see there has been an increase of €29 million. Everybody working in the health sector knows there is always an element of agency involvement-----