Ms Jane Davidson:

There is one thing I have not mentioned yet that might be relevant in this context. Part of the reason that it took us so long was that in our first decade it was very difficult for us to understand what we all meant by sustainable development. We all agreed that the Brundtland definition was the definition, as adopted by the UN, but people's interpretation of that differed. It is a kind of journey that we have to go on when we want to change the parameters.

A number of people have made the point that if we want to plan better outcomes, we have to do it in different kinds of ways from the way we have historically. The ways we have operated previously, particularly in the context, for example, of issues around climate and nature, which are hugely relevant to all of us in our future, have been to have them as sort of separate elements of our governments' policies. One of the things that has been most successful in Wales has been the idea that if we really plan our way to do this well, which is what we have aimed to do through the net zero 2035 in a just and nature-positive way work, is that it is far better for Wales than having to respond to the unintended outcomes. I have become firmer in my view over this journey that having the kind of imaginative approach Ireland is taking, where the commission can determine what the characteristics would be - it would still have to go through a properly parliamentary process anyway - is that the journey will help you see how you want to respond to some other areas. That was a massively important lesson we found. Ireland can accelerate it. We have taken a very long time to do it.