Mr. Chris Byrne:

The last meeting we had with HSI was a combined meeting of the high-performance affiliates, ourselves and the board of HSI with the new chairman. We called that meeting with the board. We requested it on the basis we wanted to develop a relationship. We wanted to be able to move forward. I ask Deputy Kehoe to forgive me because I know he wants a quick answer. Senator Boyhan indicated that he wanted to be devil's advocate and certainly did so in his own inimitable way. I ask Deputy Kehoe to allow me to do the same. At that board meeting, my opening comment was that the difficulty with the board was not the board. The people present were the board and the executive. I challenged the executive at that meeting to the effect that it was not fit for purpose. It was the problem prior to the new board and it remains the problem. It is still the problem today. A spade is a spade. That is the last meeting we had with it. It agreed to meet us again, but no further meeting was held.