Mal O'Hara (Green Party)
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I want to pick at that point a little bit. I get the sense we are saying that we should not let perfect be the enemy of the good. Decriminalisation in itself is already a concrete step but for additional success in that regard and to save lives, which is ultimately what we want to do, we need to put all those additional supports in place and we need significant infrastructure investment in provision of services.

I want to ask about the issue of HIV transmission. The paper from the IPU states that there has been a decline, though not as significant as we want, but that there has been a rise post Covid. Is there a sense of which groups that is among? I presume it is men who have sex with men, MSM, and new migrant communities?