Mr. Des Crinion:

To answer the Senator’s question in a slightly different way, we do not see any other shocks to the system coming down the line. We saw when China closed, there was a huge disruption to the recycling market. The European Union has brought in a ban on export of waste outside of Europe. That could affect the value of the material in the recycle bin. That is something we lobbied very hard against but we were not successful in Europe. It is something to be aware of. Two to five years from now, we will not be able to export recycled material outside of Europe. If the Senator’s question is what is coming down the line, that is one potential issue I see. We export 300,000 to 400,000 tonnes of waste a year. It is mainly countries in northern Europe, particularly Scandinavian countries, that take this as they have the infrastructure in place. They use the heat to heat their houses. The big fear is that if they decide they do not want to import our waste, they will close the door very quickly. That could be a hiccup or a problem for us. In the meantime, the incinerator in Cork has been waiting 20 years for a permit. These are the problems that are potentially coming down the line that could affect the cost of handling the increasing volume of waste. The most important point when we talk about the circular economy is, let us reduce what everyone uses. If we take nothing else away from this discussion, we have to reduce our consumption.