Mr. Adrian Kane:

The recent development shows that we have reached the end of this radical, free-market proposition that we continue to have throughout the country. We cannot get close to anything we could call a circular economy unless we join up all these pieces. I disagree fundamentally with the Chair when he says that workers' rights and what they are paid for is not linked to a sustainable economy. Mr. Gleason works in Bord na Móna. I used to work there. One thing we have learned is that if we are to get people to move to the green and environmental agenda, we have to bring them with us.