Ms Marion Jammet:

On public procurement, it is interesting that the Senator is looking at the Dutch model. Another thing we are doing is piloting what is called the carbon performance ladder tool. I do not know if the Senator is familiar with it but it is a Dutch model that is currently being piloted by Transport Infrastructure Ireland in a number of its tenders. The idea is that if an organisation reaches a certain level of certification in relation to addressing its carbon emissions, the price will look lower because the public bodies can apply a discount rate. It is up to public body to decide what the discount rate is on the final price. That is one example.

On demolition, what the Senator said it is interesting. It is determined on a case-by-case basis, but, in general, it would be important to have a real rationale for demolition and to encourage a proper assessment of the impact of the demolition and any alternative proposal that may be put forward. That means looking at the life cycle assessment associated with renovating and with the alternative proposal which includes demolition and rebuilding. As Mr. Impoco was saying, if we do decide to go ahead with demolition because that is the right thing to do for a specific building, we need to look then at circularity statements, pre-demolition audits and so on. Generally speaking, we probably need to reassess the need for demolition for larger buildings and see if it is the right thing to do in that specific context.

In relation to storage for products, in all of the pilot projects we have done on circularity that has come up as an issue. Questions have arisen as to where we store these materials, as well as issues around the schedule in terms of not having the right materials in the right place at the right time. It would be useful to have a catalogue to know what is available.

Soil and stone were mentioned earlier and it would be useful to have that information in advance. In terms of storage, a few issues arise. In Helsinki, for instance, there is a central place for soil and stone storage but it depends on the materials. The main thing is to make sure the materials are stored in the proper conditions and can be recertified or tested, as necessary.