Dr. Avril Hobson:

It is very difficult to tell because there was evidence of fraud in the supply chain. There was evidence of some fraud but they passed through the controls. As Mr. Sheahan outlined in the opening statement, there are controls and procedures in place at the slaughter plant. There is a full antemortem and a full post mortem. We have our records of carcasses that did not pass post mortem. In our checks, there were animals that did not pass post mortem or antemortem.