Ms Nichola Harkin:

It is one of the factors. We are not saying that pay is not a factor; we are saying it is one of the many factors. What we are saying is it is not a straightforward fix; that if one element of the challenges faced in recruitment and retention is dealt with, then it is not just an easy fix. If you look, as I said, within the HSE, collective bargaining and trade union recognition exists in the HSE but there are still recruitment and retention challenges there. We can see that it is not an easy fix or the sole factor here. Obviously, we have been in this committee room before talking about trade union recognition and the adequate minimum wage directive. In IBEC, we are working with ICTU and the Department on transposing the adequate minimum wage directive. We have been in here talking about that on previous occasions.