Dr. Sarah Miller:

I am aware of Cycle Sense. It is a wonderful organisation and one of our first academy members. We run a circular economy academy at the centre. On the points made by Ms Lavelle and the Leas-Chathaoirleach, the labour activation programmes are often not sustainable for social and circular enterprises. What is very sustainable is the community services programme, as Ms Lavelle mentioned, because it balances the playing field a little. At the moment, we are competing with very low cost new products. To create a market for reused, recycled and upcycled products, we need additional financial support. The community services programme provides that. It provides funding for the manager of the programme and four to five full-time employee equivalents. That makes a significant difference to what we can do as social enterprises and takes pressure off, as Ms Lavelle says. We have been calling for a climate-specific community services programme for several years. We believe and have seen that it works well. That could be delivered quickly. The mechanism and model are already there, as is a proof of concept.