Mr. Simon White:

The first question the Senator asked was about confidence. Forgive me, and I desperately do not want to sound impertinent, but we need a strong Minister dedicated to forestry. Mackinnon said it in his report. We need political leadership to change this around. That is the first thing. If we had that, if we had political leadership and determination to do this, it could be done. I have no doubt about that.

When it comes to the Senator's question about-----