Mr. Dennis Keeley:

The point the Senator made is very valid. I speak only on behalf of Dublin and the process. Applications such as the one the Senator described are complex.

They are relatively rare, particularly the really complex ones. They are an opportunity for colleagues to share insight and often seek advice. We regularly have workshops, toolbox workshops and continuous professional development workshops, CPDs, with staff, particularly on the unusual events. We recognise that consistency within our fire authority is really important and has been a bone of contention in the past. I think that has to be acknowledged. It can be difficult for engineers and consultants who are trying to deal with Dublin Fire Brigade to ensure consistency. However, we have been working on that for many years now. We have reached a very good point on that.

The complex buildings and the complex fire certs are used as case histories, workshops or CPDs, but whether its a workshop or having a cup of coffee in the canteen, colleagues will share advice. Often, the canteen is the best location for running that out. I would like to think that pragmatic approach and understanding of the difficulties that the broad industry faces is recognised by colleagues within the fire authorities as a means of trying to find solutions. A pragmatic means, if it can be achieved, can then become a benchmark for colleagues. That happens across fire authorities, not just within the fire authority. There is regular communication to try to aid that consistency.