Ms Caroline Smith:

On behalf of myself and Martin, we thank the committee for this opportunity. I am so sorry for the loss of the Senator's daughter and mother and I am sorry for the loss of the Deputy's mother.

As I have always said, I would stand on a rooftop and shout Stephen's name purely because, and this goes back to the raw facts, when I was in labour, we were told Stephen would not get recognised and would not get a stillbirth certificate because he did not meet the criteria. It was always a conflict with me. How could I be giving birth to a baby when I was not going to get any official recognition for him? That is why we started our campaign, that is, to get a basic recognition for our baby because he cannot be seen in our family tree, but yet Stephen's two older sisters held him. They were both seven and six at the time. Now, we have Olivia who is seven and is always talking about her brother. He is our eternal butterfly. We see butterflies and everyone is saying, "Hi, Stephen, how are you?" For us, it is the importance of him being recognised in our family. We know he will always be recognised. It does not hurt us if you talk about our babies; it hurts us when you leave them out.