Dr. Liam Heaphy:

Dr. Moriarty made the points very well in response to the question from Senator Higgins. I would add only one point to that in regard to the previous report from the first part of the land review on land use and land use fluxes and exchanges between the atmosphere and land use itself. That was an interesting piece of work because it brought those planetary boundaries down to the national scale. It made a lot of points, so that the dilemma in terms of, "If I do this, I cannot do that" and "If I do that, I cannot do this" and somehow a solution has to be found. It was laid out clearly just how difficult that will be. That is the challenge we have to deal with but it is not easy.