Dr. John Curtis:

Yes, and we have shown it impacts on energy. We are all paying higher electricity costs when transmission lines and generation capacity are not put in place. There are also increased emissions. We have done research in the past year or two demonstrating that, and the same ten years ago, that it has that impact.

We also try to emphasise that projects, whether for roads or renewable energy, get stopped because of environmental impacts but the reason those projects are coming along is that a bigger environmental impact is coming. We are not achieving our national targets because we are worried about something small.