Ms Patricia Byron:

We are touching on a subject we discussed already this morning, which is culture. A culture is needed where reporting is seen as a positive thing, in other words, that employers welcome a report so that they can address it. It is a one-for-all and all-for-one sort of approach. I cannot answer the question because I do not have the answer about numbers of accidents in unionised and non-unionised environments, but we will get that information for the Deputy and come back to him with it. I would be surprised if the Health and Safety Authority does not do unannounced visits. Part of my history, including in the insurance industry, was as an inspector, claims adjuster, loss adjuster and all sorts in the early part of my career. It is like going into your office and opening the post yourself. I cannot give the Deputy figures on that either because I do not have them to hand but we can certainly check that.

Our figures are in the top quartile internationally for the lowest incidence of fatalities and injuries. I asked about that and got that confirmation. We are doing well with numbers both nationally and comparatively. Talking about a unionised or non-unionised environment, I hope that we can aspire to the correct culture, whether it is a union environment or not. I accept that there are probably more structures in a unionised environment and those structures can be monitored to ensure there are the right structures for reporting, risk analysis, risk frameworks, dashboards and all the good things that are required to identify and address risk. One will probably find them in more mature organisations that have unions. I imagine that would be stacked up in the figures. That is food for thought. I am just getting my feet under the table. I would not have thought of things with regard to a union or non-union environment driving more or less accidents. I will certainly look at that.