Dr. Martha O'Hagan-Luff:

To add to that, I noticed a statistic in the report from the citizens' assembly. It was reported by the Business for Biodiversity platform that the European Commission has estimated that the funding for nature restoration thus far has been 92% public-funded and only 8% funded by the private sector or by businesses, even though they have benefited from nature. From the report and from the farmers who spoke, you can see that many farmers care about nature, being custodians of the land and restoring nature but they also want to have a livelihood for their families and at the moment, those two objectives are conflicting with each other. Can we allow them to do both? Can we allow them to be custodians of the natural world, which they deeply care about, and provide a livelihood and allow them to achieve both those objectives?