Professor Jim Lucey:

The Deputy's guess is correct. What we are saying is twofold. On the specific issue of CAMHS which we are here to talk about, there needs to be change and that change cannot be assurance about one island of excellence, or one little improvement or one new investment, and we all go away as though the band section is suddenly better. We are saying that we need action on CAMHS according to those 49 recommendations. Broadly speaking, we are also saying, and with respect we are saying this to the health committee which is an extraordinarily important part of the players in the development of our health service, the biggest industry in the country, that we need independent regulation that is not reassurance from the provider. Whether it is public or private, any particular body will reassure people and will do their best, but we need independent standards that are held to regulation. Otherwise, there will be no uniformity, variants will happen and one will go from the Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital inquiry to the hepatitis C inquiry and on and on in each of these reports. I have read so many of them and they are all about the same thing, which is to set a standard-----