Mr. Brendan McDonagh:

I appreciate that. NAMA is an organisation with staff seconded to us by the National Treasury Management Agency, NTMA. The NTMA is the employer. Regarding the 2012 incidents, there were attempts to intimidate two individuals in NAMA who were dealing with this connection at that time. I remember at the time that I went to the head of human resources, HR, in the NTMA and that person engaged with gardaí in Pearse Street Garda station, which sent two gardaí to speak to the two guys who were working with me. They visited their homes and gave them some advice on how to deal with it. There is no question that we would not, if someone within NAMA was being intimidated-----