Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats)
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If the witnesses would, please, because it is very relevant. Essentially, the population is being dispersed. I used these statistics in the Dáil yesterday. In the 1996 census Dublin city accounted for 13% of the national population; it accounts for 11.5% now. The population is decreasing, it is a different type of population and there is a duplication in terms of providing services, having appropriate transport and so on if the city is not consolidating. The same profile is happening in Cork. We are building perfect donuts which are car-dependent, and all sorts of problems go with that. If the Department were to provide us with that information, it would be quite important because it does have-----