Mr. Bernard Gloster:

I do not have that. Some 62% is outsourced because they also work in consortiums to try to cover the full footprint of a county, but I will certainly get that breakdown for the Cathaoirleach. The HSE provision, then, is just under 38% direct. The best estimated cost of providing a HSE hour is €28.32. That includes a number of headline costs such as supervision, management and so on. The actual rate we pay our staff is on a scale of €15.60 up to just over €20 per hour. We have, I think, somewhere in the region of 5,300 people. There would be about just over 3,000 whole-time equivalents in that directly employed as healthcare assistants or home helps or home care providers by the HSE. There have been various quoted rates as to what we pay per hour to the private sector and, just given the scale of where we are at today, I would rather not hang to one.