Ms Amy O'Keefe:

That relates to the systemic issue to which the Senator referred. Having been a teacher, I know that teachers can be very busy, but it only takes a second to say, "I know you really want to talk but we will do that in a little while". If the person needs visuals to support that, the teacher can say, "We will do our five-minute meeting in the morning with our class first and then you can tell me all about your weekend".

It is a matter of having that neuro-affirmative society. Where behaviour analysts can be involved - I mentioned the issue of smoking earlier - is in the area of shaping a behaviour. We are trying to shape the behaviours of our society to be more neuro-affirming. Maybe we will shape up to having a totally neuro-affirming Penneys. While I love Penneys, it is overwhelming. However, we will not expect to go from the typical Penneys stores to neuro-affirming Penneys stores. We will do this gradually, perhaps on one day per week and then on two days per week. We will shape up. The thing is it will be a long process. Practising being neuro-affirmative is not an end goal and it is not a destination. It is a journey and everyone needs to be involved because there will always be new information and new knowledge regarding different neurotypes and distress responses. We can be involved in shaping that by setting the organisational behaviour management in our hub, behaviour analysis.

We can be involved in creating a task analysis for a store. We can provide the broken down steps that need to be followed to become a neuro-affirming shop, as well as to become more inclusive of people who have different abilities or disabilities. We are so technical. When we are defining a behaviour it has to be something that all of this in this room can read and agree that we know exactly what I we are looking at because it is described so accurately and objectively. We have a technology that can be applied to better society. B.F. Skinner wrote an entire book on how behaviour analysis-----