Professor Philip Nolan:

I will make a brief comment and then Professor Gleeson might give the Deputy a closer-to-the-front-line example.

To be clear, the kind of technical skills that one learns during a doctorate in philosophy, PhD, remain critical. If you graduate without those you are no use to anybody, but what Professor Gleeson is trying to do is - we talked about placements of students in the work - scaffolding that placement in order to develop those skills that means that the graduates are work-ready. Does Professor Gleeson want to expand on how it works?