Ms Kate Duggan:

There are two things there. To be honest, in December 2019, we established that they had a child safeguarding statement that was compliant with the Act. That is what our statutory powers ask us to do. On the one hand, they had a safeguarding statement that was compliant with the Act and, at the same time, we had found that abuse had occurred. There had been abuse and we also obviously referred that matter to An Garda Síochána because that-----