Mr. Mervyn Taylor:

Precisely. I fully understand that the regional health authorities need to be phased in over a period of time. That is acceptable and the HSE needs time to devolve. I express concern regarding the services, if you like, civic society and the organisations we represent. Regarding the social initiative which identifies issues that can mobilise people and get public money from the State, those institutions and organisations must be knitted in and there must be some structure for them to influence the service. Otherwise, it will always go back to the same thing. I made another point about skills. The skills are not available for the social innovation required. For example, many public health nurses need support in trying to identify how to keep somebody out of a nursing home, as opposed to the easy option, which is-----