Mr. Leo Clancy:

Steps are being taken by SOLAS. The establishment of the National Apprenticeship Office as a separate body is positive, because apprenticeship now has its own focus. I know the director of the office very well. She is taking steps to further increase the number of apprenticeships. A lot of work has been done to publicise the exact benefits you mention, Chair, that these are good long-term careers. There are different paths: not worse paths and often better paths than degree education, that lead to better living over time. A lot of work has been done on that and we just have to keep saying it. Somebody said to me last week that we have to tell a story about seven times, even to people close to us, to have it heard.