Mr. Simon McKeever:

On Deputy Bruton's three questions, I will defer to chambers on the construction piece, but I think the reason for low investment in sustainability is that it is not perceived as critical yet. I go back to what I said earlier. This is like 2017, with Brexit. There is a perception that this has not become critical yet. As I said, we had developed all these training courses by 2017. We had three roadshows going up and down the length and breadth of the country from 2016 onwards talking about Brexit. I was all over the media on it, yet the traction within companies to do something about it really came about only in 2019. That was because the deadline was looming.

What I could not think of, and what I was trying to call for the other day, is the CSRD stakeholder group. There were various stakeholder groups across the Government engaging with the likes of us representing members, with the Government extremely vocal about it and supporting change in it. Excuse the turn of phrase, but this has not become a burning issue for companies yet. They do not necessarily see the advantage to doing it when there are lots of other things going on. If I may leave the committee with an image, this is like 2017, with Brexit. That is where we are.