Mr. John Murray:

We think it should be reversed. As a minimum we feel there should be safeguards put in place.

That is the end of it; that is as far as it goes. They have to be transparent. If they are not transparent, they will mean nothing. That 12,000 ha will be used time and again. It will be the same 12,000 being counted. We do a lot of that double-counting already.