Mr. Jason Fleming:

What we are hearing is that the Minister of State knew and that it was discussed at a meeting a year back from January. The Minister of State, Senator Hackett, knew about this for the year. That is what we are hearing. It is hard to believe that the Government and the main shareholders in Coillte - I am thinking particularly of the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy McConalogue, and the then Minister for Finance, Deputy Donohoe - did not know about it. It is not their preferred option, as the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, has said. He does not seem to know much about it, as such. If you talk to Coillte, it says that the Government asked it to make up the deficit when the farmers are not planting. I do not know what is at play here. This whole investment fund thing has to be looked at again. Whatever about the 12,000 ha in respect of which the deal is done, the remaining 88,000 ha that they are talking about has to be stopped.